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lex, isn't that already happening in Iran, or at least they're trying to
make it happen?



*Andrei Barburas*

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On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 11:29 AM, Alex Gakuru <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Wildly thinking...
>
> This development could, at some point in future, be used to justify a need
> for different "Internet Layers" arguably to fix emergent single points of
> failure. They may be "InterNet","RegNet" and "NatNet". Users could choose
> which network the wish to login to. International, Regional or National. Of
> course, one would expect "internet fragmentation" counter argument. I am
> just thinking out loud here...
>
> [Sent from my tiny screen wireless device. Excuse mobile brevity and or
> unintended typos]
> On Jul 3, 2013 12:03 PM, "Klaus Stoll" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>>   Dear Friends
>>
>> I think it is just a matter of very short time until someone will connect
>> ICANN in some way to this. Even if ICANN has nothing to do with anything,
>> it is a god send for the UN and ITU, they just need to mention ICANNs
>> status as a US foundation.
>>
>> We can see it as a problem or I think here is a opportunity. The root of
>> all these problems is still the fact that the general public depends on the
>> Internet, but does not know anything about how it is governed and run.
>> ICANN suddenly looks a very very old organization because it is not capable
>> to address the real issues of the time and is stuck in the past. What is
>> needed now is a big push towards true democratization of the Internet, as
>> awareness and involvement by all is the only way to govern the beast. It is
>> the general ignorance that lets those in power get away with it. If I know
>> that and how things are done I can try to control them, if I don’t even
>> know the basics I am just condemned to ignorance and in this case ignorance
>> is NOT bliss.  (When, oh when will we finally accept that the Internet is a
>> common good and can and should not be in parts or as a whole be owned by
>> anybody. We need a universal declaration of Internet rights NOW!).  You
>> might have seen the emails and activities regarding this topic in the last
>> month and weeks, (I-Inform alliance), so you will know the tools and
>> concepts are in place, what is missing is the will and effort to do it now!
>>
>> Yours
>>
>> Klaus
>>
>> (Those who want to know more about the I-Inform Alliance can send me an
>> email and I will forward more info).
>>
>>  *From:* Alex Gakuru <[log in to unmask]>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 03, 2013 10:23 AM
>> *To:* [log in to unmask]
>> *Subject:* Re: ICANN Paranoia
>>
>>
>> I suspect that many people remain silent on this -- perhaps still stuck
>> at the "Denial" stage on the Kübler-Ross model ?
>>
>> [Sent from my tiny screen wireless device. Excuse mobile brevity and or
>> unintended typos]
>> On Jul 3, 2013 10:54 AM, "Andrei Barburas" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>>>  And personally, I am still not sure why everyone was/is surprised
>>> about the tapping and the surveillance..
>>>
>>> What Snowden did, was just confirm the "theory". At the end of the day,
>>> just because you don't know about something, that doesn't mean that it's
>>> not happening.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Andrei Barburas*
>>>
>>> CRSO/IO
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> International Institute for Communication and Development (IICD)
>>>
>>> P.O. Box 11586, 2502 AN The Hague, The Netherlands
>>>
>>> NPOC, ICANN member
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> T: +31 70 311 7311 | F: +31 70 311 7322
>>> Website: iicd.org <http://www.iicd.org/> | Check out our Annual Report
>>> for 2012; We reached one million beneficiaries in Health.. Imagine that!<http://annualreport.iicd.org>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 9:26 AM, Adam Peake <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 3, 2013, at 4:13 PM, William Drake wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > On Jul 3, 2013, at 7:08 AM, Marc Perkel <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> Considering the NSA and PRISM stuff and that they are into
>>>> Microsoft, Google, Apple, Facebook, etc - shouldn't we assume that ICANN
>>>> has been compromised? Considering everything else they are into how can
>>>> they not be into ICANN?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Having said that - what does that mean to our trip?
>>>> >
>>>> > Maybe that we should have all worried less about having our computers
>>>> compromised at the Beijing meeting?  Or, worried more broadly...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>