IMO, I think it was a mistake that territory/city names(except continents)
were open to the G world. Right now ICANN is making more USD digits but I
expect this will always cause clash between the titans and I really wonder
whether ICANN will be able to handle the issues as things unfold.
IMO I think the newgtld should have just ensured that city/territory names
are referred to their respective ccTLDs. That way, there would be no reason
to have .nyc as a TLD for instance.
Regards
On Dec 10, 2015 5:03 PM, "Carlos Raul Gutierrez" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Thanks Milton for your comments as well. But while reading then my head
> starts itching of the CWG on the use of country and territory names (UCTN)
> shouldn't be sent back to the ccNSO as well (where it originally came from)
>
> Carlos Raúl
> On Dec 10, 2015 9:37 AM, "Mueller, Milton L" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> Ed, I love your ability to dig up these kinds of interesting issues.
>>
>>
>>
>> Insofar as ICANN is involved, ccTLD delegation issues are dealt with by
>> the ccNSO; it is most definitely not a GNSO issue. If you look at RFC 1591,
>> which many ccTLDs consider the guiding policy, ICANN should delegate .EH as
>> long as it is a recognized ISO-3166-1 code, here are some relevant wordings:
>>
>>
>>
>> “The designated manager must be equitable to all groups in the domain
>> that request domain names.
>>
>> Significantly interested parties in the domain should agree that the
>> designated manager is the appropriate party.
>>
>> The IANA is not in the business of deciding what is and what is not a
>> country. The selection of the ISO 3166 list as a basis for country code
>> top-level domain names was made with the knowledge that ISO has a procedure
>> for determining which entities should be and should not be on that list.”
>>
>>
>>
>> However, GAC has created its own “Principles” for the delegation of
>> ccTLDs. ICANN is currently engaged in ratifying a “framework of
>> interpretation” that mediates between the GAC Principles, RFC 1591, and
>> current practice.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* NCSG-Discuss [mailto:[log in to unmask]] *On Behalf
>> Of *Schaefer, Brett
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 10, 2015 8:50 AM
>> *To:* [log in to unmask]
>> *Subject:* Re: Marrakesh & 7 human rights defenders
>>
>>
>>
>> Hey Ed,
>>
>>
>>
>> Without taking one side or the other, this seems to me to be precisely
>> the type of inter-governmental dispute that ICANN should shy away from
>> until governments can arrive at a consensus position. No matter what
>> position the organization takes, it will be seen as siding with one
>> government faction or another.
>>
>>
>>
>> Moreover, it will set a precedent for future such situations. Do we
>> really want ICANN to be making ccTLD decisions in situations of disputed
>> sovereignty? How about Eastern Ukraine or Crimea? What about Biafra or
>> Somaliland if stability in Nigeria or Somalia deteriorate further? What
>> about the Islamic State if it comes to ICANN?
>>
>>
>>
>> If ICANN goes down this road, I think it would create more incentives for
>> governments to stick their noses in ICANN or, heaven forbid, take it to the
>> ITU.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best,
>>
>>
>>
>> Brett
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* NCSG-Discuss [mailto:[log in to unmask]
>> <[log in to unmask]>] *On Behalf Of *Edward Morris
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 10, 2015 8:27 AM
>> *To:* [log in to unmask]
>> *Subject:* Re: Marrakesh & 7 human rights defenders
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>>
>>
>> Without taking a position on Niels proposal, there is an ongoing issue
>> directly within ICANN's scope related to human rights that I hope we might
>> be able to explore within one of our meetings in Morocco. This concerns
>> delegation of EH.
>>
>>
>>
>> EH is the ISO 3166-1 alpha 2 code for Western Sahara. I should emphasise
>> it is a code under ISO 3166-1, generally national designations, and not
>> 3166-2, which designates subregions. Western Sahara is a territory that is
>> disputed between Morocco and the Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic. Although
>> not a UN member, the SADR inc recognised by 80 plus countries, with 40 plus
>> states currently maintaining diplomatic relations with the group.
>>
>>
>>
>> Delegation of the EH ccTLD has been frozen pending negotiations that have
>> been ongoing for decades. There is a territory controlled under various
>> agreements by the SADR, an internationally recognised government, yet they
>> are currently forced to use the Moroccan ccTLD.
>>
>>
>>
>> I'd like to learn more about how ICANN deals with situations like these,
>> generally, and the Western Sahara in particular. Is ICANN's policy dictated
>> by the United Stares government? Might / should this change post
>> transition? The CCWG in work stream 2 is going to have a subgroup on
>> jurisdiction, namely that applicable to ICANN. Should we add this topic to
>> it's remit?
>>
>>
>>
>> As we discuss human rights and ICANN in the context of the Morocco
>> meeting I wanted to bring this up. It certainly is within ICANN's scope and
>> mission, involves recognition by ICANN of the sovereignty of the clearly
>> defined internationally recognised group...might be an interesting issue to
>> explore.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks for considering,
>>
>>
>>
>> Ed Morris
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> *From*: "Tapani Tarvainen" <[log in to unmask]>
>> *Sent*: Thursday, December 10, 2015 12:04 PM
>> *To*: [log in to unmask]
>> *Subject*: Re: Marrakesh & 7 human rights defenders
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you Rafik.
>>
>> We do indeed need to be careful here, good intentions do not guarantee
>> good results. Hasty action could easily do more harm than good to both
>> the people in question as well as our future ability to influence
>> ICANN's human rights and other policies.
>>
>> But as I expected, you are clearly aware of all this and well able to
>> evaluate various alternatives and their possible repercussions, so
>> I'm happy you're willing to take the lead on this.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Tapani
>>
>> On Dec 10 11:39, Rafik Dammak ([log in to unmask]) wrote:
>>
>> > Hi Tapani,
>> >
>> > happy to do that, I will first investigate what are the options and what
>> > can be done, discussing with the moroccan friends and locals. I am aware
>> > about the political context and sensitivity in the country, and will get
>> > more info and feedback anyway.
>> >
>> > I saw the latest responses and I think they jumped too quickly to some
>> > conclusion. I didn't see any proposal for protest or something similar
>> such
>> > occupying the space. I don't think those activists would ask for any
>> bold
>> > action or ICANN as organization to take position in the matter. they are
>> > cautious and pragmatic, aware of the limits. we will discuss with them
>> > anyway about the best options, having their safety in mind.
>> >
>> > btw regarding a parallel event, I may respond to that quickly. ADN, the
>> > association, was prevented several times from having public meetings so
>> I
>> > would assume that option doesn't sound realistic.
>> >
>> > Best,
>> >
>> > Rafik
>> >
>> > 2015-12-09 23:11 GMT+09:00 Tapani Tarvainen <[log in to unmask]
>> >:
>> >
>> > > Hi Niels,
>> > >
>> > > I think this is an excellent idea.
>> > >
>> > > But exactly what and how, that is a difficult question.
>> > >
>> > > Fortunately we have people with local knowledge who can
>> > > help us plan this in more detail. I should think Rafik
>> > > would be in an ideal position to coordinate this effort,
>> > > if his undoubtedly busy schedule allows.
>> > >
>> > > Rafik, what do you think?
>> > >
>> > > Tapani
>> > >
>> > > On Wed, Dec 09, 2015 at 10:56:11AM +0100, Niels ten Oever (
>> > > [log in to unmask]) wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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>> > > >
>> > > > Dear all,
>> > > >
>> > > > I hope this email finds you well. As you all know, the next ICANN
>> > > > meeting will be in Marrakesh. Morrocco hasn't got a great track
>> record
>> > > > when it comes to human rights, and right now, seven human rights
>> > > > defenders are on trial.
>> > > >
>> > > > I think it would be good if we the NCSG we could give proper
>> attention
>> > > > to this case and invite the human rights defenders to our session(s)
>> > > > so give them support, shed light on their case and call for the
>> > > > protection of freedom of expression in Morrocco.
>> > > >
>> > > > More information on the seven can be found here:
>> > > >
>> https://www.freepressunlimited.org/en/news/these-seven-moroccan-human-ri
>> > > > ghts-defenders-are-on-trial
>> > > >
>> > > > and here:
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> https://www.freepressunlimited.org/en/news/international-appeal-to-the-m
>> > > > oroccan-authorities-to-drop-charges-against-human-rights-defenders
>> > > >
>> > > > Am eager to hear from you how you think we could support these
>> > > > colleagues in distress, how we could visibility for their cases and
>> > > > how we could integrate these discussions in our work at ICANN.
>> > > >
>> > > > Best,
>> > > >
>> > > > Niels
>> > > >
>> > > > - --
>> > > > Niels ten Oever
>> > > > Head of Digital
>> > > >
>> > > > Article 19
>> > > > www.article19.org
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>> ------------------------------
>>
>> *Brett* *Schaefer*
>>
>> * Jay Kingham Senior Research Fellow in International Regulatory Affairs
>> Margaret Thatcher Center for Freedom Davis Institute for National Security
>> and Foreign Policy*
>> The Heritage Foundation
>> 214 Massachusetts Avenue, NE
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>> 202-608-6097
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