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On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 2:16 PM, Sam Lanfranco <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Bill,
>
> The core issue for me is "Who is minding the kitchen at home?". I have
> worked for years (decades) in other areas where the stakeholders try to
> deal with domestic/national issues by only engaging in struggles on the
> global stage. That is a very limited strategy, and even more so here.
> Internet Citizenship will require vigilance and active participation "at
> home". Unless one engages in those governance struggles at home, there will
> be limited success with governance issues in multilateral organizations,
> and even less at home. It may feel good to speak on a global stage, but if
> one's own government is not listening it is of limited impact.
>
> The Internet governance table needs three multistakeholder engagement
> legs: 1. within ICANN; 2. within the multilateral venues; 3. within the
> national venues. With (or without) the IANA Transition the ICANN remit will
> be more clearly delineated by internal and external forces. There will be a
> smaller and more compact ICANN. What happens at multilateral venues depends
> on what is happening at national levels. Except in the case of very
> repressive regimes, there need to be struggles around the creation of
> new/better multistakeholder Internet governance processes within countries.
> Without that there will be little progress at the multilateral level.
>
> As for the claim of "undesirable on some grounds or another", in part that
> reflects: (a) special interest concerns about the balance of power, but it
> also reflects: (b) ambiguity about the relationship between
> multistakeholder representation and democratic processes. The first is
> mainly a power struggle but the second is a serious issue that requires
> deeper exploration beyond what ever policy issues are at hand.
>
> Sam L.
>
> *On 6/6/2016 9:19 AM, William Drake wrote:*
>
> *Sam you don’t sound one key to me. But your comment does point to one
> small matter…many of the folks have insisted that *
>
> *a] ICANN stick to a narrow construction of its mandate and role and that
> a big chunk of what governments and other stakeholders around the world
> care about is hence to be dealt with ‘somewhere else;’ *
> *b] every effort to create a new multistakeholder processes that could
> maybe grow to help be that somewhere else has been undesirable on some
> grounds or another; *
> *c] every effort to create a new intergovernmental processes that could
> maybe grow to help be that somewhere else has been undesirable on some
> grounds or another.*
>
> *Which leaves us back with the same discussions from 2330-2005 replaying
> over and over and many G77 governments unhappy and China and the ITU and
> others working to fill perceive voids etc. Some believe that
> industrialized country governments and business can just keep saying
> nothing is needed other than extant international/transnational
> arrangements and national policies, but to other ears this just sounds like
> a control game. We’ll see how long this status quo can be maintained.*
>
> *Bill*
>
>
> On Jun 6, 2016, at 14:39, Sam Lanfranco < <[log in to unmask]>
> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> I may sound like a piano with one key in re-making the following (possibly
> unpopular) observation:
>
> The Internet ecosystem has matured over the past 15 years and more and
> more stakeholders, including nation states, have acquired a deeper
> realization of what their stakes are in the boarder Internet ecosystem.
> Much of that territory is outside ICANN's remit and presents them with
> governance issues. There is no doubt that a sort of Internet ecosystem
> "enclosure movement" is coming, with elements national and multilateral
> ecosystem governance on the horizon. Within this there is a confusion
> around what is, and what is not, within ICANN's DNS remit. So long as
> stakeholders outside ICANN do not understand the scope and limits of
> ICANN's remit there will be confusion on the part of nation states and
> other stakeholder constituencies as they operate in their individual
> interest and the public interest. This increases the risks of working at
> cross purposes where there should be collaboration. Are there any lessons
> in this confusion? I think so.
>
>
> - As ICANN stakeholders work hard and in earnest on issues within
> ICANN's remit, more attention must be paid to helping others understand the
> limits of ICANN's remit, and not just to understand better what ICANN does
> within its remit.
> - We have to help stakeholders within ICANN and within the wider
> Internet ecosystem (including ICANN) that it is important to help shape and
> participate in those governance processes that reside beyond ICANN's remit.
>
>
> Sam L.
>
> On 6/6/2016 5:07 AM, William Drake wrote:
>
>
> On Jun 6, 2016, at 11:00, Kleinwächter, Wolfgang <
> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> My understanding is that UNDESA has no bad intentions or does not plan a
> "conspiracy" against the IGF. They are just doing their "business as
> usual". And they have not yet understood that the 21st century is different
> from the 20th century. They have not yet understood that the
> multistakeholder model is not based on the principle of national
> sovereignty of UN member states but on principles like openess,
> transparency, equal Access for all governmental and non-governmental
> stakeholderrs, bottom up policy development, rough consenus and running
> code.
>
>
> I *want* to believe this interpretation and wish there were visible data
> points supporting it.
>
> Bill
>
>
>
>
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