Dear Seun,
I invite to join the CWG (ccNOS-GNSO) UCTN!!!!!
Carlos Raul
Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez
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On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 1:21 PM, Seun Ojedeji <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:
> IMO, I think it was a mistake that territory/city names(except continents)
> were open to the G world. Right now ICANN is making more USD digits but I
> expect this will always cause clash between the titans and I really wonder
> whether ICANN will be able to handle the issues as things unfold.
>
> IMO I think the newgtld should have just ensured that city/territory names
> are referred to their respective ccTLDs. That way, there would be no reason
> to have .nyc as a TLD for instance.
>
> Regards
> On Dec 10, 2015 5:03 PM, "Carlos Raul Gutierrez" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Milton for your comments as well. But while reading then my head
>> starts itching of the CWG on the use of country and territory names (UCTN)
>> shouldn't be sent back to the ccNSO as well (where it originally came from)
>>
>> Carlos Raúl
>> On Dec 10, 2015 9:37 AM, "Mueller, Milton L" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>>> Ed, I love your ability to dig up these kinds of interesting issues.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Insofar as ICANN is involved, ccTLD delegation issues are dealt with by
>>> the ccNSO; it is most definitely not a GNSO issue. If you look at RFC 1591,
>>> which many ccTLDs consider the guiding policy, ICANN should delegate .EH as
>>> long as it is a recognized ISO-3166-1 code, here are some relevant wordings:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> “The designated manager must be equitable to all groups in the domain
>>> that request domain names.
>>>
>>> Significantly interested parties in the domain should agree that the
>>> designated manager is the appropriate party.
>>>
>>> The IANA is not in the business of deciding what is and what is not a
>>> country. The selection of the ISO 3166 list as a basis for country code
>>> top-level domain names was made with the knowledge that ISO has a procedure
>>> for determining which entities should be and should not be on that list.”
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> However, GAC has created its own “Principles” for the delegation of
>>> ccTLDs. ICANN is currently engaged in ratifying a “framework of
>>> interpretation” that mediates between the GAC Principles, RFC 1591, and
>>> current practice.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* NCSG-Discuss [mailto:[log in to unmask]] *On Behalf
>>> Of *Schaefer, Brett
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 10, 2015 8:50 AM
>>> *To:* [log in to unmask]
>>> *Subject:* Re: Marrakesh & 7 human rights defenders
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hey Ed,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Without taking one side or the other, this seems to me to be precisely
>>> the type of inter-governmental dispute that ICANN should shy away from
>>> until governments can arrive at a consensus position. No matter what
>>> position the organization takes, it will be seen as siding with one
>>> government faction or another.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Moreover, it will set a precedent for future such situations. Do we
>>> really want ICANN to be making ccTLD decisions in situations of disputed
>>> sovereignty? How about Eastern Ukraine or Crimea? What about Biafra or
>>> Somaliland if stability in Nigeria or Somalia deteriorate further? What
>>> about the Islamic State if it comes to ICANN?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If ICANN goes down this road, I think it would create more incentives
>>> for governments to stick their noses in ICANN or, heaven forbid, take it to
>>> the ITU.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Brett
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* NCSG-Discuss [mailto:[log in to unmask]
>>> <[log in to unmask]>] *On Behalf Of *Edward Morris
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 10, 2015 8:27 AM
>>> *To:* [log in to unmask]
>>> *Subject:* Re: Marrakesh & 7 human rights defenders
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Without taking a position on Niels proposal, there is an ongoing issue
>>> directly within ICANN's scope related to human rights that I hope we might
>>> be able to explore within one of our meetings in Morocco. This concerns
>>> delegation of EH.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> EH is the ISO 3166-1 alpha 2 code for Western Sahara. I should emphasise
>>> it is a code under ISO 3166-1, generally national designations, and not
>>> 3166-2, which designates subregions. Western Sahara is a territory that is
>>> disputed between Morocco and the Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic. Although
>>> not a UN member, the SADR inc recognised by 80 plus countries, with 40 plus
>>> states currently maintaining diplomatic relations with the group.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Delegation of the EH ccTLD has been frozen pending negotiations that
>>> have been ongoing for decades. There is a territory controlled under
>>> various agreements by the SADR, an internationally recognised government,
>>> yet they are currently forced to use the Moroccan ccTLD.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'd like to learn more about how ICANN deals with situations like these,
>>> generally, and the Western Sahara in particular. Is ICANN's policy dictated
>>> by the United Stares government? Might / should this change post
>>> transition? The CCWG in work stream 2 is going to have a subgroup on
>>> jurisdiction, namely that applicable to ICANN. Should we add this topic to
>>> it's remit?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> As we discuss human rights and ICANN in the context of the Morocco
>>> meeting I wanted to bring this up. It certainly is within ICANN's scope and
>>> mission, involves recognition by ICANN of the sovereignty of the clearly
>>> defined internationally recognised group...might be an interesting issue to
>>> explore.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for considering,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ed Morris
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> *From*: "Tapani Tarvainen" <[log in to unmask]>
>>> *Sent*: Thursday, December 10, 2015 12:04 PM
>>> *To*: [log in to unmask]
>>> *Subject*: Re: Marrakesh & 7 human rights defenders
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you Rafik.
>>>
>>> We do indeed need to be careful here, good intentions do not guarantee
>>> good results. Hasty action could easily do more harm than good to both
>>> the people in question as well as our future ability to influence
>>> ICANN's human rights and other policies.
>>>
>>> But as I expected, you are clearly aware of all this and well able to
>>> evaluate various alternatives and their possible repercussions, so
>>> I'm happy you're willing to take the lead on this.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Tapani
>>>
>>> On Dec 10 11:39, Rafik Dammak ([log in to unmask]) wrote:
>>>
>>> > Hi Tapani,
>>> >
>>> > happy to do that, I will first investigate what are the options and
>>> what
>>> > can be done, discussing with the moroccan friends and locals. I am
>>> aware
>>> > about the political context and sensitivity in the country, and will
>>> get
>>> > more info and feedback anyway.
>>> >
>>> > I saw the latest responses and I think they jumped too quickly to some
>>> > conclusion. I didn't see any proposal for protest or something similar
>>> such
>>> > occupying the space. I don't think those activists would ask for any
>>> bold
>>> > action or ICANN as organization to take position in the matter. they
>>> are
>>> > cautious and pragmatic, aware of the limits. we will discuss with them
>>> > anyway about the best options, having their safety in mind.
>>> >
>>> > btw regarding a parallel event, I may respond to that quickly. ADN, the
>>> > association, was prevented several times from having public meetings
>>> so I
>>> > would assume that option doesn't sound realistic.
>>> >
>>> > Best,
>>> >
>>> > Rafik
>>> >
>>> > 2015-12-09 23:11 GMT+09:00 Tapani Tarvainen <
>>> [log in to unmask]>:
>>> >
>>> > > Hi Niels,
>>> > >
>>> > > I think this is an excellent idea.
>>> > >
>>> > > But exactly what and how, that is a difficult question.
>>> > >
>>> > > Fortunately we have people with local knowledge who can
>>> > > help us plan this in more detail. I should think Rafik
>>> > > would be in an ideal position to coordinate this effort,
>>> > > if his undoubtedly busy schedule allows.
>>> > >
>>> > > Rafik, what do you think?
>>> > >
>>> > > Tapani
>>> > >
>>> > > On Wed, Dec 09, 2015 at 10:56:11AM +0100, Niels ten Oever (
>>> > > [log in to unmask]) wrote:
>>> > >
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>>> > > >
>>> > > > Dear all,
>>> > > >
>>> > > > I hope this email finds you well. As you all know, the next ICANN
>>> > > > meeting will be in Marrakesh. Morrocco hasn't got a great track
>>> record
>>> > > > when it comes to human rights, and right now, seven human rights
>>> > > > defenders are on trial.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > I think it would be good if we the NCSG we could give proper
>>> attention
>>> > > > to this case and invite the human rights defenders to our
>>> session(s)
>>> > > > so give them support, shed light on their case and call for the
>>> > > > protection of freedom of expression in Morrocco.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > More information on the seven can be found here:
>>> > > >
>>> https://www.freepressunlimited.org/en/news/these-seven-moroccan-human-ri
>>> > > > ghts-defenders-are-on-trial
>>> > > >
>>> > > > and here:
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> https://www.freepressunlimited.org/en/news/international-appeal-to-the-m
>>> > > > oroccan-authorities-to-drop-charges-against-human-rights-defenders
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Am eager to hear from you how you think we could support these
>>> > > > colleagues in distress, how we could visibility for their cases and
>>> > > > how we could integrate these discussions in our work at ICANN.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Best,
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Niels
>>> > > >
>>> > > > - --
>>> > > > Niels ten Oever
>>> > > > Head of Digital
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Article 19
>>> > > > www.article19.org
>>> > > >
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>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> *Brett* *Schaefer*
>>>
>>> * Jay Kingham Senior Research Fellow in International Regulatory Affairs
>>> Margaret Thatcher Center for Freedom Davis Institute for National Security
>>> and Foreign Policy*
>>> The Heritage Foundation
>>> 214 Massachusetts Avenue, NE
>>> Washington, DC 20002
>>> 202-608-6097
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>>>
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