I will just note the livestream of the NCSG RDRS event is at
https://isoc.live/17326/

I am yet to archive, but I will move it up on my todo list.

Joly

On Fri, Apr 5, 2024 at 9:58 PM Emmanuel Vitus <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:

> Thank you for opening our eyes to this Farzi!
>
> Let's put together a letter to the RDRS working group? Maybe including
> your arguments, any industry benchmarks, best practices, and examples from
> other members/regions. This could facilitate Stephanie’s efforts and our
> tracking of the issue? Maybe we can dive deeper into this during our next
> PC meeting?
>
> Kind regards ,
>
>  Emmanuel
>
>
>
> Sent from iPhone. Excuse brevity and typos.
>
>
> On Fri 5 Apr 2024 at 23:24, Caleb Olumuyiwa Ogundele <
> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> Dear Farzaneh and Stephanie,
>>
>> I agree with Farzaneh's suggestion to bring the issue of transparency in
>> RDRS to the Standing Committee. I believe it is essential to find a balance
>> between transparency and the need to protect ongoing investigations.
>>
>> One way to achieve this could be to publish the number of requests
>> received from each jurisdiction on an annual or biannual basis. This would
>> provide some level of transparency while still safeguarding the
>> confidentiality of ongoing investigations.
>>
>> I believe this approach would address the concerns of human rights and
>> civil liberties advocates while also ensuring that law enforcement efforts
>> are not impeded.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Caleb Ogundele
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 5, 2024 at 6:04 PM Pedro de Perdigão Lana <
>> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Farzi,
>>>
>>> I think your idea of providing examples of what could be considered the
>>> "market standard" of how to treat this kind of data would be the best way
>>> to approach the RDRS SC. Just to drop a few others, Meta (
>>> https://transparency.fb.com/reports/government-data-requests/country/),
>>> Google (https://transparencyreport.google.com/user-data/overview?hl=en)
>>> and TikTok (
>>> https://www.tiktok.com/transparency/en-us/government-removal-requests-2023-1/)
>>> have interesting reports that could deter most arguments against
>>> implementing it for security reasons.
>>>
>>> One could also point out that this isn't interesting just for human
>>> rights and civil liberties, but also for other interest groups to identify
>>> potentially problematic regions (f. ex., a country where, for some reason,
>>> there is a spike of registrations being used for criminal activities
>>> commonly identified as such all around the world).
>>>
>>> Cordially,
>>>
>>> *Pedro de Perdigão Lana*
>>> Lawyer <https://www.sistemafiep.org.br/>, GEDAI/UFPR
>>> <https://www.gedai.com.br/> Researcher
>>> PhD Candidate (UFPR), LLM in Business Law (UCoimbra)
>>> Board Member @ CC Brasil <https://br.creativecommons.net/>, ISOC BR
>>> <https://isoc.org.br/> and IODA <https://ioda.org.br/>
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>>>
>>>
>>> Em sex., 5 de abr. de 2024 às 18:00, farzaneh badii <
>>> [log in to unmask]> escreveu:
>>>
>>>> Dear NCSG,
>>>> As you know RDRS (the system whereby requestors of domain name
>>>> registrants personal data submit their request to access the data-it's a
>>>> triage system) is now in operation. (been for a few months) There is a
>>>> Standing Committee on RDRS that meets biweekly which discusses the
>>>> technical issues of the system. In the report that RDRS issues, we usually
>>>> can see the number of requests on behalf of law enforcement agencies but it
>>>> does not specify which jurisdictions.
>>>> It is common practice for different Internet organizations and
>>>> tech-companies to report at least on the jurisdiction. For example, Apple
>>>> has been publishing the LEA transparency reports, for example you can see
>>>> which countries and how many apps were requested to be removed from the App
>>>> Store:
>>>> https://www.apple.com/legal/more-resources/docs/2022-App-Store-Transparency-Report.pdf
>>>>
>>>> Other Internet organizations also report on which countries requested
>>>> data, here is for example a RIPE NCC transparency report:
>>>> https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-794/
>>>>
>>>> This topic has been of interest for NCSG for a long time because of its
>>>> implications on human rights and civil liberty.
>>>>
>>>> I want to suggest that we bring this issue to RDRS SC and ask to open
>>>> up the discussion on how we can have some minimal transparency in place.
>>>> For example which countries the law enforcement agencies submit requests
>>>> from. We can open up the conversation and also consider what measures to
>>>> take not to disrupt ongoing investigations and come to a middle ground on
>>>> this. This is not the only way we can request some minimal transparency but
>>>> it could be a start.
>>>>
>>>> Stephanie is our representative on RDRS SC. Maybe she can bring up this
>>>> issue in that group?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> *Caleb Ogundele*
>> Email: [log in to unmask]
>>
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