Hi Julf, Amin,

This is, indeed, a delicate issue and this is why I was thinking of
adopting it as a good practice, but not as something imperative (more of a
recommendation, and not a behavior standard). I think that, especially for
newcomers, it is all right to start their path within NCSG/NCUC/NPOC with
these short e-mails that essentially demonstrate they are following the
discussions with interest and that they particularly agree with a specific
opinion.

But, after a few weeks/months, after knowing our community a little better,
probably we shouldn't stimulate this, because that has the potential to
harm the rest of the community - especially those who adopt an inbox zero
strategy and/or leave unread tasks that are still not completed. The main
reason I'm sending this message is essentially to achieve this objective:
letting others who are surely in good faith and have the best intentions
know that a larger number of "thanks" and "+1" messages can become an issue
to others.

The need for more informal interaction is usually solved through
Telegram/Whatsapp groups, but I'm not sure if this would be a good strategy
for our community, especially because with time people could start moving
relevant discussions there, and this would be undesirable. On the other
side, a mailing list just for informal interactions tends to be abandoned
in no time. *Maybe reserving 5 minutes at the beginning of our
NCSG/NCUC/NPOC calls that have a wider participation, so newcomers can
introduce themselves and talk about their interests, could stimulate the
participation of those who are timid or are not at ease with
speaking/writing in English?*

PS, to Julf: I was also confused with the contradiction related to
elections on the chapter leaders list and loved the idea someone suggested
a few months ago to create a separate list for that kind of interaction. I
also hope someday that proposal goes through

Cordially,

*Pedro de Perdigão Lana*
Lawyer <https://www.nic.br/>, GEDAI/UFPR <https://www.gedai.com.br/>
Researcher
PhD Candidate (UFPR), LLM in Business Law (UCoimbra)
Board Member @ CC Brasil <https://br.creativecommons.net/>, ISOC BR
<https://isoc.org.br/> and IODA <https://ioda.org.br/>
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Em qua., 17 de abr. de 2024 às 07:29, Johan Helsingius <[log in to unmask]>
escreveu:

> Hi Pedro,
>
> > Within ISOC's Code of Conduct, we can find a very useful and interesting
> > prescription:/"*Only send a message to the entire list if everyone can
> > benefit from it*. Do not send “thank you” and “me too” replies to the
> > full list"./
>
> I do find it rather ironic, considering the ISOC chapter leaders lists
> are flooded with congratulations every time a chapter announced election
> results (something that typically occurs once a year for each chapter).
>
> > Considering the growing number of messages that end up filling our
> > mailboxes here in the NCSG community, I would kindly like to suggest,
> > and check if others agree, that we also adopt this as a good practice.
> > This is not the same as saying that we should not promote these nice
> > gestures of recognizing others' work and good ideas, but only that these
> > messages would be better directed only to the person who will surely
> > appreciate them, not to the whole list.
>
> Thank you for bringing this up - I haven't wanted to do that as I know
> it can be a cultural thing, and I am culturally doubly biased (coming
> from Finland that has a pretty minimalist/efficient communication
> culture, and being a geek/techie). There is definitely a place for
> the congratulations and welcomes, but perhaps we need separate lists
> for the social stuff and for the admin/policy stuff?
>
> On that note, it is also nice to have people say hello and where they
> are from in the chat on the NCSG calls, but I think the right place
> for that is in the few minutes in the beginning before the actual agenda
> gets going. Once a discussion is ongoing, a sudden "Hello from
> Reykjavik" can disrupt the flow of discussion.
>
>         Julf
>